From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest Subject: ceremony-digest V98 #98 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Thursday, June 4 1998 Volume 98 : Number 098 Re: (Fac33) Temptation from Taras Shevchenko Re: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed RE: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed Re: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed Re: (Fac33) Phoenix Identifier chosen... RE: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed (Fac33) Potts V. Sumner, Monaco V. Electronic? Gimme a break. Re: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed not MY OPINION RE: (Fac33) Mailist Identifier For Phoniex and other shows I hope! (Fac33) Apology to everyone... (Fac33) Phoenix Festival Re: (Fac33) Phoenix Festival (Fac33) Barney on Jo Whiley... (Fac33) New Order's "Recycle" Re: (Fac33) New Order's "Recycle" (Fac33) NO NewOrder - The Cure's new song (Fac33) temptation on taras schevchenko Re: (Fac33) New Order's "Recycle"--track listing?? (Fac33) BarneyVSHooky (Fac33) RECYCLE ? (Fac33) (Fac 33) Sumner on Jo Whiley show (Fac33) Doves Re: (Fac33) Doves Re: (Fac33) Doves RE: (Fac33) Mailist Identifier For Phoniex and other shows I hope! Re: (Fac33) (Fac 33) Sumner on Jo Whiley show (Fac33) Republic is OK! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 12:53:16 -0700 From: George Saunders Subject: Re: (Fac33) Temptation from Taras Shevchenko The lyrics on Temptation from Taras Shevchenko are pretty bad...but what I like about it is the music...the keyboards sound better on this version than on the 7" single and any later versions of the song.... Just a personal liking I guess...yes, the lyrics suck though "Up, down, turnaround, hit the floor, go around, tonight we are going to be alright tonight were gonna get ????" Something like that.... George Aaron Chang wrote: > >Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:27:28 -0700 > >From: George Saunders > >Subject: Re: (Fac33) Dream set list for upcoming shows- > > > >Alright, here is the dream set list.... > > > >Some of these songs, I have not heard live (in person) before. > > > >1. Elegia > >2. Ruined in a day > >3. Temptation (the original version, the Taras Schvenchko version is > >awesome!) > >4. Regret > >5. Ceremony > >6. Love vigilantes > >7. Weirdo > >8. Atmosphere > >9. Decades > >10. Chemical > >11. Your silent face > >12. This time of night > >13. All day long > >14. Leave me alone > > I like the original version of Temptation alot, but it seems like Barney is > improvising the lyrics as he goes along on the Taras Shevchenko video? He > has a tendency to start repeating the same line over and over again > whenever he forgets the lyrics to songs (Sister Ray from Glastonbury '87, > The Ostrich from New York City '87, etc.) > > Aaron > > ------- > + To post to the list, send mail to . > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:01:29 +0100 From: Ally Subject: Re: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed > article weren't really malicious or egotistical, and they were pretty > true--Pottsy does blatantly rip off Barney's singing style in a couple of > the songs, although it's all in tribute I guess to NO. What the hell are you on about???? Pottsy comes from the same area of Manchester as Barney so the vocals are BOUND to sound similar, and another thing, Pottsy DID NOT rip off anyone, Monaco are NOT a tribute to New Order, they are a tribute to themselves! It was VERY egotistical of Barney to say: 'they sound like me!', he did NOT invent that way of playing guitar, he did NOT invent those vocals, New Order are more than Barney's shite lyrics you know, Gillian probably wrote most of the guitar anyway! I didn't say anything on the two Electronic albums saying: Vocal style & puny guitar riffs Copyright Bernard 'jealous of anyone who has a better band than him' Sumner. Peter Hook is a great guy and a lot more down to Earth than Barney, Barney certainly is a 'miserable bastard' by Hooky's reasoning! > if not as consistent as NO, and much more substantial than Monaco, which > sounds to me like a bunch of random cover songs by a lounge band, and > features riffs straight out of Brotherhood without that much of a new spin > to it. But that's beside the point. For anyone to write this complete SHITE about Monaco they cannot be a TRUE New Order fan or properly have listened to any of Monaco's music. Barney could never in a million years write a song that comes close to 'Junk', 'Shattered' or even 'Buzz Gum'! Bin that copy of 'Raise the pressure' and pick up a copy of 'Music for Pleasure' if you have any brain power or TASTE you WILL notice the difference. DO NOT ever compare Pottsy to Barney deary, you will get your fingers burnt every time, Ally. http://ajm.simplenet.com/monaco/ (mailto:monaco@btinternet.com) AOL Instant Messenger: ALLYMONACO - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:01:02 -0400 From: Subject: RE: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed Alright already! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about side projects....what brings us all to this list is a love of NO. Can't we all just get along? > ---------- > From: Ally[SMTP:monaco@btinternet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 4:01 PM > To: jekim@Gems.VCU.EDU > Cc: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: Re: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed > > > article weren't really malicious or egotistical, and they were > pretty > > true--Pottsy does blatantly rip off Barney's singing style in a > couple of > > the songs, although it's all in tribute I guess to NO. > > What the hell are you on about???? Pottsy comes from the same area of > Manchester as Barney so the vocals are BOUND to sound similar, and > another thing, Pottsy DID NOT rip off anyone, Monaco are NOT a tribute > to New Order, they are a tribute to themselves! It was VERY > egotistical > of Barney to say: 'they sound like me!', he did NOT invent that way of > playing guitar, he did NOT invent those vocals, New Order are more > than > Barney's shite lyrics you know, Gillian probably wrote most of the > guitar anyway! > > I didn't say anything on the two Electronic albums saying: > > Vocal style & puny guitar riffs Copyright Bernard 'jealous of anyone > who > has a better band than him' Sumner. > > Peter Hook is a great guy and a lot more down to Earth than Barney, > Barney certainly is a 'miserable bastard' by Hooky's reasoning! > > > if not as consistent as NO, and much more substantial than Monaco, > which > > sounds to me like a bunch of random cover songs by a lounge band, > and > > features riffs straight out of Brotherhood without that much of a > new spin > > to it. But that's beside the point. > > For anyone to write this complete SHITE about Monaco they cannot be a > TRUE New Order fan or properly have listened to any of Monaco's music. > > Barney could never in a million years write a song that comes close to > 'Junk', 'Shattered' or even 'Buzz Gum'! Bin that copy of 'Raise the > pressure' and pick up a copy of 'Music for Pleasure' if you have any > brain power or TASTE you WILL notice the difference. > > DO NOT ever compare Pottsy to Barney deary, you will get your fingers > burnt every time, > > Ally. > http://ajm.simplenet.com/monaco/ > (mailto:monaco@btinternet.com) > AOL Instant Messenger: ALLYMONACO > > ------- > + To post to the list, send mail to . > + Ceremony mailing list web page: > http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:12:20 +0100 From: Ally Subject: Re: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed > Alright already! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about side > projects....what brings us all to this list is a love of NO. Can't we > all just get along? Yeah yeah, I'm sorry, but I am SICK to the back teeth of people coming along and saying, BARNEY IS GOD - MONACO IS SHITE & RIPPED HIM OFF. I'm sure everyone agrees that Monaco is not a 'lounge band'. Ally. http://ajm.simplenet.com/monaco/ (mailto:monaco@btinternet.com) AOL Instant Messenger: ALLYMONACO - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:48:42 -0400 From: "Dana Nield" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Phoenix Identifier chosen... Perfect! ________________________ Dana John Nield djn@idirect.com http://webhome.idirect.com/~djn - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:58:15 +0100 From: Pedro & Carmo Subject: RE: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed Just listen the music !!! They're all touched by the hand of God, aren't they ? Pedro - ---------- De: Ally[SMTP:monaco@btinternet.com] Enviado: Quarta-feira, 3 de Junho de 1998 21:01 Para: jekim@Gems.VCU.EDU Cc: ceremony@monkey.org Assunto: Re: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed > article weren't really malicious or egotistical, and they were pretty > true--Pottsy does blatantly rip off Barney's singing style in a couple of > the songs, although it's all in tribute I guess to NO. What the hell are you on about???? Pottsy comes from the same area of Manchester as Barney so the vocals are BOUND to sound similar, and another thing, Pottsy DID NOT rip off anyone, Monaco are NOT a tribute to New Order, they are a tribute to themselves! It was VERY egotistical of Barney to say: 'they sound like me!', he did NOT invent that way of playing guitar, he did NOT invent those vocals, New Order are more than Barney's shite lyrics you know, Gillian probably wrote most of the guitar anyway! I didn't say anything on the two Electronic albums saying: Vocal style & puny guitar riffs Copyright Bernard 'jealous of anyone who has a better band than him' Sumner. Peter Hook is a great guy and a lot more down to Earth than Barney, Barney certainly is a 'miserable bastard' by Hooky's reasoning! > if not as consistent as NO, and much more substantial than Monaco, which > sounds to me like a bunch of random cover songs by a lounge band, and > features riffs straight out of Brotherhood without that much of a new spin > to it. But that's beside the point. For anyone to write this complete SHITE about Monaco they cannot be a TRUE New Order fan or properly have listened to any of Monaco's music. Barney could never in a million years write a song that comes close to 'Junk', 'Shattered' or even 'Buzz Gum'! Bin that copy of 'Raise the pressure' and pick up a copy of 'Music for Pleasure' if you have any brain power or TASTE you WILL notice the difference. DO NOT ever compare Pottsy to Barney deary, you will get your fingers burnt every time, Ally. http://ajm.simplenet.com/monaco/ (mailto:monaco@btinternet.com) AOL Instant Messenger: ALLYMONACO - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 18:18:01 -0400 From: Shiva Polefka Subject: (Fac33) Potts V. Sumner, Monaco V. Electronic? Gimme a break. >>For anyone to write this complete SHITE about Monaco they cannot be a TRUE New Order fan or properly have listened to any of Monaco's music. Barney could never in a million years write a song that comes close to 'Junk', 'Shattered' or even 'Buzz Gum'! Bin that copy of 'Raise the pressure' and pick up a copy of 'Music for Pleasure' if you have any brain power or TASTE you WILL notice the difference.<< Ally i'm very impressed with your devotion to your monaco but please, please dont get so base. I far prefer electronic to Monaco, but I listen to them both a lot since I love new order. For you to tell me I then am not a true new order fan is both ridiculous and supremely juvenile. its not like these bands are competing for some stupid prize. just because you're going to be on their payroll doesnt give you the right to go off like a child about someone not having a brain because they dont like your employer's music. You may be getting the connections, but you really must be more respectful. shiva - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:11:54 -0700 From: "John A. Frye" Subject: Re: (Fac33) barney bad? indeed not MY OPINION I don't know who originally wrote this because everything seems to have been quoted over... >For anyone to write this complete SHITE about Monaco they cannot be a >TRUE New Order fan or properly have listened to any of Monaco's music. >Barney could never in a million years write a song that comes close to >'Junk', 'Shattered' or even 'Buzz Gum'! Bin that copy of 'Raise the >pressure' and pick up a copy of 'Music for Pleasure' if you have any >brain power or TASTE you WILL notice the difference. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but once some starts bashing Electronic and saying that Monaco is better without saying IMHO, they really are going to start pissing people off, namely me, who has sat through this Barney bashing long enough... Here is MY OPINION, Monaco sucks, Music for Pleasure is conservative pop that doesn't even attempt to do anything new or be creative. I think both Electronic albums are monumental by comparism. Perhaps the reason mention of Monaco gets Bernard all riled up is because Peter Hook is embarassing the rest of NewOrder! So put that in your pipe and smoke it! - -john frye - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:01:30 -0400 From: Kimberley Podolak Subject: RE: (Fac33) Mailist Identifier For Phoniex and other shows I hope! The Opera House would be my choice - small. But if they do decide to visit T.O. they'll probably end up at SkyDome... - ---------- From: Dana Nield[SMTP:djn@idirect.com] Sent: June 2, 1998 11:41 PM To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) Mailist Identifier For Phoniex and other shows I hope! <> I have been reading the recent posting regarding the dream sets that we all hope to hear New Order Play. Very interesting suggestions and ideas, and although I would love to dance through 32 straight songs, I doubt the band would ever do it. I recall Hooky saying in the past that he's bored after 40 minutes! Yes, I do find it hard at times to bring up my love of the band to others. I've occasionally had people confuse New Order with New Edition. Sad doesn't cover it! My patterns are so well known to my wife that when we go into a music store (Almost showed my age by saying record!) she knows that I'm heading to the New Order section first to see if there is something there that I've missed. Unless it is a obscure used show, there never is anything! As far as an identifier for this group goes, I've always like the Taras Schevenko cover. Perhaps a small rectangular button would be suitable. Like New Order, it is a very anonymous image (unless you are Ukrainian!), yet would be easily recognizable to "...like-minded people." Any comments? I'm praying that they come to Toronto so that I can see them. Any Torontonians with a preference for a venue? I would love to see them at Massey Hall, or the Guvernment. I missed seeing Revenge at that local when it was RPM. Cheers! Dana ________________________ Dana John Nield djn@idirect.com http://webhome.idirect.com/~djn ________________________ Dana John Nield djn@idirect.com http://webhome.idirect.com/~djn - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 00:23:13 +0100 From: Ally Subject: (Fac33) Apology to everyone... Hey everyone, I'm really really sorry about my outburst earlier, I have no excuse for what I said and I do sincerely apologise if I offended anyone. You're all right, it was very childish and immature of me to insult you with words like 'SHITE' and so on. My earlier posting was a spontanious, spur of the moment-type thing which I regret after seeing the responses. Ceremony is not the place to start bickering/fights over who's got the best side-project, but to appreciate all NO's music and it's derivatives accordingly. I know it's not much of an excuse, but I didn't do very well in my exams this year and my family won't let me forget about that failure, so I am a bit unhappy. It'll pass of course!!! :-) I took my frustration out on the list and I'm sorry... Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I totally respect that. Monaco is a great band, and so are Electronic, so let's put this mess behind us and forget about it, I really don't want to slag off anyone... > just because you're going to be on their payroll doesnt give you the right to go off like a child about someone not having a brain because they dont like your employer's music. Yeah you're absoloutly right, but I'm not employed by them, and from the response I'm getting from their Management I really don't know if they will employ me at all. Once again, sorry everyone, I promise it won't happen again, Take care, Ally. http://ajm.simplenet.com/monaco/ (mailto:monaco@btinternet.com) AOL Instant Messenger: ALLYMONACO - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:50:26 -0700 (MST) From: sumner@aztec.asu.edu (RYAN J. HARRIS) Subject: (Fac33) Phoenix Festival >Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:13:48 -0700 >From: AJC >Subject: (Fac33) Phoenix Festival >If there is anyone in the US who is going to the phoenix festival to see >NO who wouldn't mind picking me up a t-shirt or a poster of NO if they >have that type of stuff for sale at the festival, please e-mail me. >- -Todd This would go the same for me. I'd really really want one of these. Please email me if someone wouldn't mind picking a tee-shirt up on the back to the USA (you'll be gladly reimbursed). Thanks! - -- See that girl, she's over there, I don't need her, she don't care. I could be, one in a million, it would be so good to start again. - Some Distant Memory by Electronic * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Billy D Subject: Re: (Fac33) Phoenix Festival Yes, could somebody bring back about a hundred shirts and maybe some posters. Get real! BillyD - ---"RYAN J. HARRIS" wrote: > > > > >Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:13:48 -0700 > >From: AJC > >Subject: (Fac33) Phoenix Festival > > >If there is anyone in the US who is going to the phoenix festival to see > >NO who wouldn't mind picking me up a t-shirt or a poster of NO if they > >have that type of stuff for sale at the festival, please e-mail me. > >- -Todd > > This would go the same for me. I'd really really want one of these. Please > email me if someone wouldn't mind picking a tee-shirt up on the back to the > USA (you'll be gladly reimbursed). > > Thanks! > > -- > See that girl, she's over there, I don't need her, she don't care. > I could be, one in a million, it would be so good to start again. > - Some Distant Memory by Electronic > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > ------- > + To post to the list, send mail to . > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 01:14:12 +0100 From: Ally Subject: (Fac33) Barney on Jo Whiley... Hey gang, The report from the UK on Barney's appearance is pretty darn boring. He didn't get to say that much and Jo didn't seem really that interested in anything New Order was currently doing. I've never watched that particular show before and I must say, I never will again. Barney just said that he quit New Order to watch Blind Date with Cilla, then he went back with New Order this year when he got bored of Cilla! He also said that when on tour, Hooky really got on his nerves by eating crisps while driving and licking each of his fingers afterwards! Jarvis Cocker and Keith Flint looked spaced out by the unusual questions from Jo (eg. Have you had your penis pierced yet?) Barney tried to liven things up inbetween the crap & unusual music vids., but the show was a poor excuse for 'pop music discussion' if you ask me! It's repeated this Friday at eleven, I won't be watching... See ya, Ally. http://ajm.simplenet.com/monaco/ (mailto:monaco@btinternet.com) AOL Instant Messenger: ALLYMONACO - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 20:20:22 -0700 From: Jeff & Christy McClellan Subject: (Fac33) New Order's "Recycle" I was just checking on http://www.cduniverse.com and they have "recycle" listed. It also say's that it'll be available on the 30th of June. It's a 4 CD set that's listed for $53.71. Jeff - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:48:23 -0700 From: "John A. Frye" Subject: Re: (Fac33) New Order's "Recycle" >I was just checking on http://www.cduniverse.com and they have >"recycle" listed. It also say's that it'll be available on the >30th of June. It's a 4 CD set that's listed for $53.71. Just want to warn the list about service from here in regards to ordering stuff like this... CD Universe was one of the first places to list Heart & Soul, and I immediately reserved a copy, but long after it was in local shops in the US, it still wasn't in at CD Universe, I cancelled my order and bought it locally. I recommend doing the same unless you live in an area with no shops that have import stuff. I do highly recommend AB-CD however, and would pre-order from them before CD Universe. - -jhon fyer - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:02:47 +0000 From: severin98@juno.com (Mark C Kratt) Subject: (Fac33) NO NewOrder - The Cure's new song I just got the X-Files soundtrack. It's got a new Cure song: 'More Than This,' (not a cover). It's a very electronica direction for the Cure, in my opinion. Sort of both a step foreward & backward. it expands on the techno feel of their last song, 'Wrong Number', but it also harkens to the early 80s when Smith solo wrote The Walk & Let's Go To Bed (very techno tracks) Coincidentally, Wrong Number & More Than This are both Smith solo compositions. It looks like the electronica stuff is the way of the late 90s for the British verteren musicians these days (the Creatures, the Cure, New Order). I must say that 'More Than This' has impressed me. I think that the Cure will be moving in the predictable electronica direction with their next album. Also, notice that this is Robert Smith writing solo - I think this shows how he best works alone: notice that the last time he wrote songs by himself was in the 'Walk' 'Let's Go To Bed' era: shows that maybe he embraces technology as a means to overcome less band democracy. Who knows? all I know is that this song is really awesome. Can't wait for 'World In My Eyes' Mark Kratt 'CraSh' severin98@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:26:20 EDT From: Subject: (Fac33) temptation on taras schevchenko the version on tarsa was the first time it had been performed live. the reason the lyrics sound so retarded is because barney was making them up on the spot (even though the music had been rehearsed). barney dug through live tapes of all the performances of that song to come up with the final lyrics (as they appear on the single). when taras was filmed, "temptation" had not been recorded yet. however, i think it's a *musically* superior version...hope this helps clear up the confusion. ed - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Stacy Wallace Subject: Re: (Fac33) New Order's "Recycle"--track listing?? - ---Stacy Wallace wrote: > > Has anyone heard anything about the track listing?? Anything at all? > > Sorry if this has been hashed and re-hashed. > > > Stacy > > > > > == > Lt. John Masterson: How does it feel to be human? > Lloyd Gallagher: [long pause] It's alright. > > "The Hidden" > click here: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/1632/index.html > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > == Lt. John Masterson: How does it feel to be human? Lloyd Gallagher: [long pause] It's alright. "The Hidden" click here: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/1632/index.html _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:04:19 EDT From: Subject: (Fac33) BarneyVSHooky i wonder if any other band break up has caused such a 'civil war' amongst its fans? ive heard of some arguements amongst Stone ROses fans about the drummer and Ian Brown...eh well.. They Should be on celebrity death macth on MTV...any agreement in that? in case anyones wondering, my computer is lreally messed up now, and i cant see the text im typing..si if there are gross errors, please excuse ~reilly - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:12:49 +0200 From: "Antoine" Subject: (Fac33) RECYCLE ? People, the new order box sets haven't been given an official release date yet ! I got this from someone who phoned London last week ! Sometime around Phoenix, it should be... Antoine. http://home.nordnet.fr/~abarbet/neworder.html (the pop group with a dark past) features : MP3 Other Two track "Satisfied" - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 98 11:02:09 BST From: Darren Prior Subject: (Fac33) (Fac 33) Sumner on Jo Whiley show Hi all, I haven't actually watched the Jo Whiley show yet, but I did video it. Is anyone interested if I convert either the whole show or selected segments to mp3? And no, I don't have any kind of video grabbing hardware so it will only be audio. Cheers, Darren. - -- Darren J. Prior Customer Service Centre ISSD Service Centre Engineer Hewlett Packard Ltd. Phone: +44 (0)118 927-4126 Eskdale Road, Winnersh Triangle Fax : +44 (0)118 927-4107 Wokingham, Berkshire Email: darrenp@hpcsce00.uksr.hp.com RG41 5DZ Std Disclaimer: These are not the views of my employer. - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:41:34 -0400 From: "Harri Nisula" Subject: (Fac33) Doves The support bands for the Apollo gig appear to be the Doves & Gabrielles Wish. I'm told that the Doves are actually Sub Sub under their new name !! Does this mean we will see Bernard on stage w/ the Doves to sing "This Time I'm Not Wrong."? Secondly, regarding the CDUniverse June 30th release date. They are notoriously known to be wrong on their dates. Be especially weary if it's on the "PID" label, which this is being advertised. - -Harri Chat 3 times daily (Noon,6pm,& Midnight E.S.T. USA) at Low-Life Cafe ... a NewOrder/J.D. Chat Room: http://www.joydivision.net/m4pchat.htm m u s i c 4 p l e a s u r e : http://www.joydivision.net - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:21:15 +0200 From: Robert Elfving Subject: Re: (Fac33) Doves At 07:41 AM 6/4/98 -0400, you wrote: >The support bands for the Apollo gig appear to be the Doves & Gabrielles >Wish. I'm told that the Doves are actually Sub Sub under their new name !! >Does this mean we will see Bernard on stage w/ the Doves to sing "This Time >I'm Not Wrong."? Nice!!! Have The Doves released anything yet? I'm dying to hear more stuff like This Time I'm Not Wrong.. and its b-sides. Did Sub Sub ever release any other guitar based singles? I've only heard their house stuff, which isn't very good... Robert PS. To start the fire again - Monaco and Electronic are both quite good - but nowhere near as good as REVENGE!!! The 1992-93 Revenge stuff would have made a great album (with State Of Shock/Under The Stars/Deadbeat/Tender/I'll Be True../Cloud Nine etc).. Don't you think? New Order stuff for sale or trade: http://slashmc.rice.edu/ceremony/misc/bst/robert_elfving.html - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:19:37 EDT From: ajcarpen@juno.com (a carpenter) Subject: Re: (Fac33) Doves hey, >PS. To start the fire again - Monaco and Electronic are both quite >good - but nowhere near as good as REVENGE!!! The 1992-93 Revenge stuff would >have made a great album (with State Of Shock/Under The >Stars/Deadbeat/Tender/I'll Be True../Cloud Nine etc).. Don't you think? wow. "state of shock" is one of the best tracks from any of the side-project groups. alyssa _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:31:41 -0400 From: Mike Harvey Subject: RE: (Fac33) Mailist Identifier For Phoniex and other shows I hope! Wouldn't it be more likely they would play the Molson Amph. or Kingswood (Yeech!) again? I think the Skydome might be a little big. - -----Original Message----- From: Kimberley Podolak [SMTP:kpodolak@YorkU.CA] Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 6:02 PM To: ceremony@monkey.org; 'Dana Nield' Subject: RE: (Fac33) Mailist Identifier For Phoniex and other shows I hope! The Opera House would be my choice - small. But if they do decide to visit T.O. they'll probably end up at SkyDome... - ---------- From: Dana Nield[SMTP:djn@idirect.com] Sent: June 2, 1998 11:41 PM To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) Mailist Identifier For Phoniex and other shows I hope! <> I have been reading the recent posting regarding the dream sets that we all hope to hear New Order Play. Very interesting suggestions and ideas, and although I would love to dance through 32 straight songs, I doubt the band would ever do it. I recall Hooky saying in the past that he's bored after 40 minutes! Yes, I do find it hard at times to bring up my love of the band to others. I've occasionally had people confuse New Order with New Edition. Sad doesn't cover it! My patterns are so well known to my wife that when we go into a music store (Almost showed my age by saying record!) she knows that I'm heading to the New Order section first to see if there is something there that I've missed. Unless it is a obscure used show, there never is anything! As far as an identifier for this group goes, I've always like the Taras Schevenko cover. Perhaps a small rectangular button would be suitable. Like New Order, it is a very anonymous image (unless you are Ukrainian!), yet would be easily recognizable to "...like-minded people." Any comments? I'm praying that they come to Toronto so that I can see them. Any Torontonians with a preference for a venue? I would love to see them at Massey Hall, or the Guvernment. I missed seeing Revenge at that local when it was RPM. Cheers! Dana ________________________ Dana John Nield djn@idirect.com http://webhome.idirect.com/~djn ________________________ Dana John Nield djn@idirect.com http://webhome.idirect.com/~djn - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:25:00 EDT From: Subject: Re: (Fac33) (Fac 33) Sumner on Jo Whiley show Could someone possibly give me the name and location of the cemetery Ian is resting? Thank you ~Caroline - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:06:33 +0100 From: Ally Subject: (Fac33) Republic is OK! > of years they've sold out as corporate whores and sold out to a system they > fought and tried to destroy for 15 years. All they've done is tried to rip > off the good intentions of us fans who want every track and remix they > record or release. With hindsight I wish New Order split after Technique > and left us all the wonderful memories we grew up with. I like others here > can remember different phases of my life by NO releases but I'll always > have those memories and the brilliant music. All the current reunion is > doing is flogging a dead horse. As Morrisey sang No, I'm afraid I do not agree with this. Firstly, I like New Order for who they are, they are a great band who have matured musically over the years and moved with the times. Secondly, Republic is probably the best New Order album out at the moment, and Steve Hague's production was top-notch and only helped the album's success in the long run. I mean when I listen to Republic now it sounds like a 1996/97 record when it was actually completed in 1992!! 'corporate whores'?? That's a bit over the top isn't it? I just can't see the chief executive of London Records holding Barney & Hooky at gunpoint until they wrote 'Regret' or 'World', it just couldn't happen. OK, I agree, the compilations (rest/best of) and the singles were a bit pointless, but London Records was getting desperate, they'd signed a band that weren't producing any new material, they HAD to release something. New Order probably didn't devise the original idea to remix/re-issue/re-package reeee-package (God, I sound like MORRISSEY!) London wanted a quick New Order profit, and who can blame them? Everyone likes the older albums like Low Life, Movement, etc. but let's face it, if New Order released an album like Low Life in this day and age, no-one would buy it and they'd all be more interested in SpiceWorld or some crap like that. Republic was a mix of Electronic/The Other Two/Revenge influences and I think it worked out very well. 'flogging a dead horse' is also untrue, New Order ARE working on new material and with the added bounce of Monaco in Hooky's step I believe the next album will be the best NO album ever! :-) Technique, Republic, and Substance are my favourite New Order albums, so New Order breaking up to me is an unthinkable thought. I fear that your love of the older albums is stopping you from moving with New Order's sound. New Order are who they want to be, and so long as they keep making brilliant music like Republic and the older albums, I will love the music forever... Cheers, Ally. http://ajm.simplenet.com/monaco/ (mailto:monaco@btinternet.com) AOL Instant Messenger: ALLYMONACO - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V98 #98 ****************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .