From: ceremony-request@niagara.edu Subject: ceremony Digest V94 #83 X-Loop: ceremony@niagara.edu Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: ceremony@niagara.edu ceremony Digest Volume 94 : Issue 83 Today's Topics: NO's "first BBC session" want list hay un 'FAQ'? Other Two's "Innocence" Bernard Sumner and Security Re: LaserDisc of Neworderstory Subculture Japanese Still Lyrics Sumner guest appearances Tomorrow, When I'll Be Mad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Oct 94 18:02:45 EST From: swfcooke@warren.med.harvard.edu To: ceremony@niagara.edu Subject: NO's "first BBC session" Message-Id: <9409097817.AA781750965@warren.med.harvard.edu> Please forgive this question from a New Order neophyte, but I was sorting through boxes of old tapes and found one I made off Radio One on August 25, 1984--New Order's first BBC session according to the dj. It's about 35 minutes long and consists of the band playing and being broadcast live, with no audience, which is unusual. Is this widely available? If not I'd be happy to trade for any decent sounding, unofficial Joy Division. Cheers, Stefan swfcooke@warren.med.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Oct 94 20:57:56 CDT From: perryda@sol.acs.uwosh.edu (Daniel Perry ) To: ceremony@niagara.edu Subject: want list Message-Id: <9410100157.AA10281@sol.acs.uwosh.edu> Ok, here is what I'm looking for. If you can find it new--GREAT! If you can get it used, tell me what condition it's in. If it's new, tell me how much it cost and estimate shipping. If it's used, tell me what you think it's worth, and I'll tell you if I agree :) . * indicates first choice of a list of more than one format. New Order: Round & round [Feb 1989] CD5: UK 1989 (Factory FACD 263) Ruined In A Day [Jun 1993] CS: UK 1993 (London/CentreDate Co Ltd. NUOMC 2) [Int 857217.4] New Order Story [Nov 1993] VHS: CA 1993 (PolyGram Video 440 087 135-3) [NTSC] Approximate running time 140 minutes. Get The Message [Apr 1991] CSS: US 1991 (Warner Bros. 9 19465-4) * CD5: GE 1991 (Virgin 663 849-211) (Note: Red cover with yellow "2") Electronic: Feel Every Beat [Oct 1991] CD5: UK 1991 (Factory FACD 328) Thanks. Dan Perry perryda@sol.acs.uwosh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Oct 94 21:15:37 CDT From: perryda@sol.acs.uwosh.edu (Daniel Perry ) To: ceremony@niagara.edu Subject: hay un 'FAQ'? Message-Id: <9410100215.AA10510@sol.acs.uwosh.edu> is there a NUO/E/2/Joy FAQ? Where can I get it? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 22:39:52 CST From: "Brandon B. Goldsberry " To: ceremony@niagara.edu Subject: Other Two's "Innocence" Message-ID: <3EACF03A8E@augustana.edu> Is the release of the Other Two's "Innocence" a 12"-only or what? I've heard a couple people on here have it, but no one has left a track listing. I assume this is a Qwest release and not London? Right? There hasn't been a CD release as far as I can tell. (My research tool is one of those in-store computers -- geez, it even has the new Stone Roses album in it!) Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Oct 1994 21:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From: CHUSING@SCUACC.SCU.EDU To: ceremony@niagara.edu Subject: Bernard Sumner and Security Message-id: <01HI35DOI00600HPAR@scuacc.scu.edu> Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I don't know if this has been mentioned before... I stumbled across a CD the other day entitled "Electrobeat...Introduction," which apparently is a compilation of three bands: The Beat Club, Toys For The Revolution, and Ony. More to the point, Bernard Sumner sings with The Beat Club on a song called "Security," which he also produced and mixed. He shares the vocals with someone named Mirey Valls. Has this been out long? I'm under the impression it's recent, maybe just out (though I could be totally wrong). Does anyone know how this collaboration came about? The song sounds like a cousin of something Electronic would put out. 91 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 94 10:56:27 PDT From: bbs.jjkim@tsoft.net To: ceremony@niagara.edu Subject: Re: LaserDisc of Neworderstory Message-Id: <9410101756.AA23005@hpcc52.corp.hp.com> In message <199410021527.LAA11110@red.seas.upenn.edu>, hcheng@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Howard Cheng) writes: > > Has anyone ventured east and found the Laser Disc 2-disc set of NewOrder > > Story??? It's supposed to be longer than the Canadian version and have > > lyrics!!!! > > Well, I didn't venture east to get, but I do have it. Unfortunately, > I haven't seen it yet, because I don't have a LD player yet :-( As > for the lyrics, I was told that it has subtitles in the video. Assuming you're referring to the Japanese LD, I doubt the subtitles would really do you much good, unless you happen to read Japanese. ;-) Furthermore, the subtitles are only shown during non-music "speaking" parts (i.e., interviews); so to answer the original post, the set does have lyrics -- just that they're transcribed onto the inside of the gatefold sleeve. Furthermore, unless there are different versions of the LD floating around, the 2LD set clocks in at 140 mins, which I believe is similar to the Canadian/UK releases. Based upon people's descriptions/track listings of the Canadian tape, I'd say the Japanese LD is _exactly_ the same. Also, on a totally unrelated note, the local radio station confirmed rumors posted previously (perhaps they subscribe to the list? ;-) re: the upcoming "greatest hits" package -- that it contains an updated "True Faith" as well as the LWTUA cover. Of course, they've been wrong before, so take it FWIW. John bbs.jjkim@tsoft.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 21:22:09 -0500 (CDT) From: royster fredrick don To: ceremony@niagara.edu Cc: ceremony-request@niagara.edu Subject: Subculture Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi All Just some responses to the last digest. Thanks for all those who responded to my earlier posts. I certainly know that Farley and Heller are Junior Boys Own. What I meant is I loved to hear a Farley and Heller remix of Young Offender since the Junior Style Dub of regret turnsi into Young Offender at the end:; like using all the same instumentation from the junior Style Dub, but then go into Young Offender.(Funny the Pet Shop Boys have a song of the Same name, both produced by Stephen Hague) In kind of related news, i heard the Perfecto guys(Oakenfield and Osborne) are coming out with their own album. I love their remix of World. Does anyone else know about this? Thanks to those who helped me decipher Subculture. i often though it was about Bernard being rejected by someone. This is my favorite NO song, I really don't know why. Maybe it's because of the enigmatic lyrics. But I have some questions still The Substance version of Subculture sounds like more than a remix, but a remade song. Bernards voice is lower, the inflection of words are diffrent, and some verses are diffrent from the original. I think the Substance version is far superior, I love all the orchestral hits, the sound effects, and of course the backing female vocals, i believe that's what makes the song for me. But the original has it's merits too. i like Peters bass better on the original, i like the percussion on the original also. "what do I get out of this, i always try i always miss"-sounds like he keeps on trying with love, but it never works for him."one of theses days you'll go back to your home, you wont even notice you are alone, one of these days when you sit by yourself, you'll realize you can't(shop?) showoff without someone else"- whoever Bernard is talking about seems to be a pretty shallow person, and that Bernard is moving on. But in the Chourus is it "show off" or is it "shop"....without someone else. Show Off makes more sense, but dosen't fit the rhythm, while Shop makkes less sense, but sounds kind of uncanny. if you can't shop by yourself, your not a very independent person. Well that's my two cents. Let's pray the compilation comes out Nov.5th like I've been hearing fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 21:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Dewit To: ceremony@niagara.edu Subject: Japanese Still Lyrics Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just saw Joy Division Still on a Japanese double CD in a local shop. I didn't get it; I saved my money for the Crispy Ambulance 10". But that's another tale... It *did* however have a "Lyric Book" with it. After a few pages of what seemed to be a biography in Japanese, It had someone's interpretation of the lyrics in English. Whenever they got to a passage they weren't sure of, they just left "...................." but sometimes they went out on a limb with their interpretations. Some examples: from `Walked In Line': "All dressed in uniforms so fine they drank and killed to pass the time" becomes: "Waiters in uniforms, so fine they drank to pass the time" from `Something Must Break': "I see your face still in my window Tormented clouds won't set me free" becomes: "I see your face still in my window Tall Major Toms won't set me free" from `Dead Souls': "Conquistadores who took their share (of you)" becomes: "Come kiss the dogs who took their share" from `Isolation': "In fear every day, every evening" becomes: "Declaring men every evening" I nearly killed myself laughing. I'll have to listen to a few good boots to get these alternate lyrics out of my brain. The CDs didn't include `Twenty Four Hours' if anyone's curious. Mike .___________________________________. Listen to the silence, let it ring on ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 94 13:47:58 +0100 From: ivan@sics.se To: ceremony@niagara.edu Subject: Sumner guest appearances Message-Id: <9410121247.AA05044@nootka.sics.se> While browsing my collection of dusty vinyl the other day I stumbled over a Paul Haig (of Crepuscule fame) record from 1985: The Warp of Pure Fun, where Bernard Sumner is credited with two guest appearances on guitar. The songs are The Only Truth and Love & War, decent synth-based pop which should appeal at least to some New Order-fans. This made me curious about what other artists Bernard may have worked with, not considering Electronic. Any pointers? --Ivan ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 94 02:22:39 -0500 From: Sebastien.Boisvert@uworld.mtlnet.org (Sebastien Boisvert) To: ceremony@niagara.edu Subject: Tomorrow, When I'll Be Mad. Message-ID: Greetings Everyone, Everywhere... I'd like to have a TRUSTABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION who could clear up the rumors we've been hearing about that compilation. As far as I'm concerned, I hope it WON'T COME OUT, at least not SOON. I still believe it is way too soon to come out with another compilation with only TWO ALBUMS AND TWO SINGLES... or THREE if you include LWTUA. But then again, I'm still for a compilation after the next album, and not before that. I admit the context is not the same as it was for Substance (this one was mainly to regroup on one LP all the singles that were independantly released), but that's not an excuse to get so overcommercial. Now I begin to understand why London Records was promoting Bananarama (yuck). FREDRICK ROYSTER talked about a possible True Faith 94. But where the h*ll did you get that?! I would be surprised, especially since I can't imagine a version better than the original. Blue Monday '88 is in the same case, not as good as the '83. Like I said before, I would like them to come out with a whole new pop version of The Perfect Kiss though. I'm sure it would be a success. Oh Fredrick, you also asked few questions about New Order. First of all, yes, the "Flood" mentionned as Engineer on Substance is the same one who worked with NIN, U2 and Depeche Mode. You were saying the girls singing on World sounded cool and were a very powerful sound voice on the Perfecto Mix. Well, IMHO, the girls who are singing on the Perfecto Mix ARE NOT THE SAME as on the album version, or at least, the re-sang their part for the remix. Listen carefully. Makes me think I which New Order would bring background vocalists with them in concert, it was so disappointing to see these vocals on World were pre-recorded on their last tour. New Order's choice for song titles (or Bernard's should I say) is part of what makes New Order so different, so unique. Peter Saville spoke of them as a "mass-produced secret". Most New Order records, until recently, was always left out of an album title and of the song listings. That was the way you knew it was a New Order record, and also if the cover was artisticly beautiful or/and original. The other characteristic was that, once you found the song titles, they had hardly nothing to do with the lyrics of the song. I amused myself one time to make a list of the titles we can hear in the lyrics, and there's not that much. It seems though that Bernard is leaving this habit because it's not very representative on Republic, unfortunately. Most of the song titles we can hear in the lyrics are usually making only one line in the songs. (EX: "...it's nothing I *REGRET*..."; "...Ruined in a Day"; "...THE PERFECT KISS is the kiss of death"; "...the WAY OF LIFE that you had tried, ...", etc.). Touched By The Hand Of God, Special, Young Offender are few of the tracks where we can hear the repeated title. You are asking WHY? Well, my explanation (although I would like Bernard to respond to that) is that New Order songs are not usually following the common pattern of a pop song where you have an easy line repeatedly 4 times in the song, that makes your chorus and you have an easy hit. Try to find another title for "Regret" and you'll see what I mean. The other reason is that Bernard is giving titles to song who are secretly revealing some meaning behind the lyrics, or the global topic of the song, or even the goal he was reaching with his lyrics (think of "World", that may be an explanation). Bernard's lyrics have always been difficult to explain and his titles are in the same trend really. Just think deeply of what could mean the song to you and chances are, in many cases, you'll find an answer. Here's one of mine: Everyone Everywhere is called this way because the global meaning behind the song is "let's forget about the whole world about us, about everyone everywhere, because when we kiss, we speak as one". In the same optic, you asked about the meaning behind Subculture. Once again, only Bernard can really answer that, and sometimes maybe there's no meaning (like he says in NewOrderStory), it's just flowing from his pen to the paper, inventing a story, sometimes from things he saw around him, or things he lived personally and then making a fake story out of it... or telling the real one. You will probably never know because Barney won't discuss the meaning behind his lyrics; he thinks it's too personal, he's a very private person and beside, he doesn't want to spoil it for you. Hope this helps anyway! B. NewOrderologist. ;) -------------------------------- End of ceremony Digest V94 Issue #83 ************************************