Re: Lotus Domino 6.0 and Above

[Chuck Yerkes <chuck+obsd_(_at_)_2004_(_dot_)_snew_(_dot_)_com>]

(i'm on the list, no need to send me mail directly).

Quoting Mart?n Marconcini (martin_(_dot_)_marconcini_(_at_)_jaskus_(_dot_)_net):
> 
> But I feel tempted to remind "you" that Lotus Domino is NOT an email 
> server. It's much more than that, thus saying:  "I've also replaced it. 
> Killed 15 Notes machines and put 40,000 students onto 1 IMAP server.  That 
> was good."

And yet minor groups, unrespected by businesses, find that at a
majority of sites, MOST if not all of the use gropeware is email.

Calendar use infringed on that.  There are alternatives.

> May sound nice, yet i've done the same, replaced several Imap/Pop users 
> with Domino Server and I felt better. Instead of Just an IMAP account, the 
> users now have the power of Domino and the whole infrastructure. 

And the cost.  $25/user/month according to several studies
from places companies pay attention to.  Plus that joy of having
all their data "locked in" to a proprietary vendor.

Notes offers "IMAP Access".  12 at a time, in my experience.

I find people who are relieved to have escape notes,
who wish they COULD escape notes,
or who haven't used notes and think it will be good

> If you compare an "imap" server with Domino, either you're trolling or 
> you've never used Notes/Domino before.
Or we have dealt with it extensively.
Or we see how people use Notes 99% of the time.

I've been around Notes for 10 years.  I was 'mandated' to use it
for mail.  It crashed my Sun a lot.  Support said: "Oh.  Yeah, that
happens.  Often."

I dumped a copy of all my mail into it.  ~1700 messages a day (postmaster
at a Fortune 100 before spam).  With no filtering available.  (I really
read it after procmail on a local machine).

The mail server died.  I was told to read/delete mail.  We did a test.
I would spend 80% of my time JUST doing the "Open+Delete" that was
required.

What's an alternative?
Well, document publishing on Open Web Systems.  They scale better,
you're not locked into a vendor's whims.


And you ARE locked in.  No, it won't run under BSD.  It will run
under Windows.  And AIX.  And it's starting to be supported on
Linux.  I say "started" because when you call for support they
no longer DENY that it runs on Linux.


> So, now that we all know that *BSD in general has no Domino support, i'll 
> have to use an alternative OS (Linux comes into my mind)
Yes it does.

And as I mentioned, it wants a lot of horsepower.  That 4 or 8 way
Intel/AMD box is the way to go.

> pst: i'm not a domino-zealot,
> ...the server's excellent. (even under windows!).
> ...for big and not so big enterprises, i am with domino

> pst: i'm not a domino-zealot, ...
You lie.

Or perhaps you're not experienced in how things SHOULD and COULD
be, outside the vendor cages.