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OT: rehash: list etiquette, WAS Re: The first appearance of the 7 dwarfs!

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Nikolaus Hiebaum wrote:

> No, I don't think Miod was "nice." He was rude!

In relative terms, he was nice.

> You people brag about knowing so much and seem so annoyed when someone
> asks a general  question.

A good (well-phrased, well-documented) question gets reasonable answers,
generally. Many of the readers of this list get annoyed when people
A) don't do their homework, and/or B) don't ask good questions.

> I am not saying that you, Diane, are rude, but from reading the list I get
> the impression that newbie questions are dismissed as unqualified for this
> list.

Many newbie questions are unqualified for grade school. They are the
equivalent of "What's the answer for #17?"

> I can very well understand that being asked the same questions over and
> over again *is* annoying, but read over it. Sure, it is healing to vent
> your anger, but there seems too much venting.

I agree there's a lot of venting, but that's because there's a lot of
people who don't do their own homework, and ask poor questions.

> There are no stupid questions but only stupid people who do not ask
> questions!  Nobody is born knowing everything. We learn from being tought
> by others, and we learn from our mistakes we make.

I beg to differ. There are stupid questions, or at least questions
stupidly presented. Wanting a particular piece of information isn't
stupid. Phrasing a question such that even the people who'd want to
help you have nowhere to start is just a waste of time.

> Coming back to Stefan's initial question: I think it would be intersting
> to know if the Snapshots include the patches.
> Right, Snapshots are for knowledgeable people, but how to become
> knowledgeable if you don't try out and ask. Maybe there exists a link to
> some webpage that describes what's in the Snapshots? That would suffice.
> No need to write a thesis on the Snapshots' contents and purpose.

Down towards the bottom, there's a "Structural Layout" section. It says:
       Where you find our most recent release.

       For our major architectures, we tend to build mini releases
       of unknown stability and quality about every month or so. This is
       where we place those test releases.

And there's a link just below there to http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html
which mentions the -current vs patch branch sources. And if you continue
to explore, you'll find http://www.openbsd.org/errata.html for patches,
and http://www.openbsd.org/stable.html for the patch branch.

> Politeness is a virtue! :)

This thread keeps coming up and the point I keep coming back to is that
this is a two way street. For the questioner, this includes reading
http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html and following the netiquette instructions.
Follow the instructions, and you'll generally get polite responses.

[ Dave Taira <bodhi_(_at_)_hagakure_(_dot_)_org>                2002.07.22/01:08:47 PDT ]
[ Morlock for Hire                                                       ]
[ What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence  ]
[ of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult.            ]
[                                                      -- Sigmund Freud  ]