RE: jive - what is the message being sent here

["Tramale K. Turner" <shidoshi@black.kage.net>]

Simple fact of the matter is, OpenBSD could never be a "commercial" product
that is sold in the United States legally with 'jive' in the ports tree.

Of course, OpenBSD is free software under a very lovely license from our
lovely pals to the north
(Canada, that is).

The ports tree is representative of the quality of software and standards
that OpenBSD postulates, that is not an arguable point.  If you don't
believe that to be true, read the archives and I'm sure you'll see Dug,
Marc, Turans, Markus and other arguing directly or indirectly against that.
As they are all heavy ports contributors (and someone already mentioned that
the foundation on which OBSD is built is the contributors) I would think
their opinions matter highly.

Dug was correct, it is proper to censure some things because they don't meet
standards.  In America, as I'm sure Mr. Merrill knows (being a
CEO/President) we have Title VII.  That more or less disallows things like
software which converts "honkey text" into "jive" for a number of reasons
(and yes, "honkeys" are protected as well).  Yet, this is an American thing,
and may not ..uhm..jive
with those of you outside of our politically correct borders.

So lets speak to the mission of the OpenBSD project.  To provide a secure
and stable operating system probably speaks little to "providing fun little
text conversion utils to make fun of blacks and/or white folks".  Jive is
just silly, it should not be there.  If you want it, go grab it, but why
throw it up in your officially supported ancillary applications list?

Someone compared astrology to jive and said that they weren't *that*
different (Mr. McNamara).  I would contest that, especially if you're
another American (otherwise nevermind).

Marc suggested adding a LICENSE.  Fine for some places, but any business
that thinks they would be fine having an install of OpenBSD with 'jive' and
that lovely LICENSE to cover themselves with shall be tort, taut, and took
(I like alliteration).

I suppose the 'choice' is to be elegant, or a bunch of brazen hackers with
no regard for what they've done.  I doubt that most of the @openbsd.org
folks feel that way about the lovely work they have produced.

OpenBSD:  We don't put our users at risk, we just make fun of them...

ad infinitum

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Tramale K. Turner
shidoshi@monkey.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ports@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-ports@openbsd.org]On Behalf
Of Nicholas Merrill
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 12:38 AM
To: ports@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: jive - what is the message being sent here


On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Rick Pettit wrote:

> 	I think running OpenBSD is about choices.  People who do not like
> to have to make choices and would rather have the choices made for them
> run Windows.  I cannot imagine an OpenBSD user that cannot figure out how
> to remove material they consider offensive from their system (and in this
> case they would have to go out of their way to put it on in the first
> place).

[snip]