Re: New unofficial document - oamp.pdf

["Wolfpaw - Dale Corse" <admin-lists@wolfpaw.net>]

Greetings,

 I thought I might contribute something .. Which may or may not be of
any use at all. I'll leave that up to the reader.

 I've used Linux and FreeBSD for many years, recently we changed our
firewall's to OpenBSD mostly due to the extensive list of features pf
has, the excellent stability, and security record, and a very good
base for support (I live in Edmonton though, so perhaps I am biased).

That being said - there are a few differences (usability wise, I'm not
starting the who is better war) between FBSD and OBSD for sure. That
being said, the manual pages included with the distro solved most of
my questions, you just have to spend some time and read them. Other
ones were happily answered by a few folks on the list. It takes a few
days, but that is simply life. I've seen many paid companies with a
worse response time :)

 In any case, we run a gaming service, a colocation facility, and do a
good deal of web hosting.. This being said we have 2 conflicting issues:

A) Uptime must be over 99.99%
B) We have a big target on us from the games, for DDOS attacks.

OpenBSD solved this problem. With it I have been able to mitigate
(automagically might I add) the DDOS issues that have been taking
a good deal of time to deal with (using Linux IPTables) for 4 months.

Personally - I say hats off to the OBSD Developers, and the user
community - and a very big "Thanks!" for providing such a well
done product.

Like any open source project, it has it's bugs. They get fixed, and
sometimes things are not fully documented. However, if you are not

A) Wise enough to figure it out yourself

_And_

B) To proud, or to much of a jerk to ask the community, in a respectable
   way for help.

Then.. There is only one conclusion for you:

Go back to Windows :)

After reading a little on this thread, I get the (perhaps uninformed)
impression there are a couple folks who need to go back and play with
something they can properly understand. *NIX has never been as easy
as point-and-click. Half the fun is figuring it all out :P

Anyway - Happy New Year to all :) 

Regards,
Dale
--------------------------------
Dale Corse
System Administrator
Wolfpaw Services Inc.
http://www.wolfpaw.net
(780) 474-4095

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-misc@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-misc@openbsd.org] 
> On Behalf Of Ben Morrow
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:36 AM
> To: misc@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: New unofficial document - oamp.pdf
> 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> It's his flawed presentation, his assumptions about the 
> openbsd community, his un-researched arguments, his use of 
> CAPITALS in SOME words, his piss-poor apologies, when he's 
> cornered and his snide thank you notes that amuse and annoy me.
> 
> </snip>
> 
> I actually laughed at the CAPITALS in SOME words comment. 
> Unlike Mark, your arguments/comments make sense.
> 
> Also, the second I saw "unofficial document..", I thought the 
> exact same thing you did.. Oh no, not this thread again !!
> 
> *sigh* it's pathetic that reading the misc list can be 
> amusing. I need a life.
> 
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:13:29 +0100, klausmattner@gmx.de 
> <klausmattner@gmx.de> wrote:
> > On 1 Jan 2005 at 12:27, Mark Farquaad wrote:
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > > OpenBSD does not. The only thing OpenBSD provides is
> > > your (new) link, telling people in about 200 ways what you don't 
> > > want, what they must comply to, etc. etc.
> > > Honestly: Do you think your link: 
> > > http://www.holland-consulting.net/obsd/faq-help.html
> > > would motivate ANYONE to put in work?
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > I consider quality the most important attribute of an 
> _official_ FAQ.
> > 
> > Having read Nick's text at least twice it seems to be obvious that 
> > most of it is based on long term experience I am not really jealous 
> > of.
> > 
> > Being forced  to follow the rules given there should not demotivate 
> > anybody who seriously wants to contribute to a high quality FAQ.
> > 
> > It is very obvious that the "required structure change" you 
> mentioned 
> > consists of one "instance" mostly:
> > 
> > People who are willing to be a "filter" between
> > a) Nick (who ensures quality) and
> > b) people who want to contribute but do not want to follow the 
> > _necessary_ rules.
> > 
> > It is as easy as that.
> > 
> > Find people who are willing to correct and/or improve contributions 
> > made by others who are not able and/or willing to follow 
> the rules and 
> > you have it.
> > 
> > Please note that this activity might be somewhat similar
> > to reviewing class tests written by pupils who do not
> > care much about their marks.
> > 
> > Go and ask teachers if they would do that for free.
> > I doubt it.
> > 
> > Happy New Year!
> > 
> > Klaus