Hi all ... BTW I've got the pre-2.9 i386 snapshot, just not got around to looking at it yet. I'll let you know what I think when I do. Can't be much worse than FreeBSD-4.3/i386 I wouldn't have thought :) Ya'll might be interested in the cryptography section of my web-site: http://www.wizardsworks.org/robin/crypto.html cheers ... Soon-to-be-ordering-2.9-Robin