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ipfw rules vs routes to localhost?

--- "Crist J. Clark" <crist_(_dot_)_clark_(_at_)_attbi_(_dot_)_com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 12:51:54AM -0400, Paul Chvostek wrote:
> > 
> > I'm considering:
> > 
> >   ipfw add N deny ip from a.b.c.d to any
> > 
> > vs.
> > 
> >   route add -host a.b.c.d localhost

If you do decide to go with the "route-to-localhost" approach, you might
want to add the "-blackhole" modifier so that the packets are dropped
in looutput(). Otherwise they would unnecessarily go up the stack 
before being dropped in ip_input().


> > 
> > I need to block traffic to a number of IP addresses.  I thought I'd use
> > ipfw to avoid things like UDP DNS lookups that might come in ant take up
> > resources while my system tried to respond, but it's been suggested on
> > another list that setting routes to localhost will use less resources.
> > Ideally, I'd like to be able to block a few tens of thousands of IPs.
> > 
> > What's the scoop?
> Someone is assumng the old rule for blocking traffic on a (Cisco)
> router applies to the FreeBSD stack. It doesn't necessarily apply.
> First off, blocking it in ipfw rules is obviously more efficient if
> you are running ipfw(8) already.
> If you wouldn't be otherwise running ipfw(8) at all, there _may_ be
> some gain. Packets blocked by ipfw(8) get dropped very early in
> ip_input(), which is good, but _all_ packets have to go through
> ipfw(8), and we usually assume the majority of packets are "good"
> ones. So, the second case, adding the route, doesn't add much overhead
> to the processing of good packets, but does greatly increase the
> resources used before you toss out bad ones. You may end up using
> fewer resources if there are only a few bad ones relative to the
> good.
> IMHO, if this machine is a firewall, use the right tool for
> firewalling, ipfw(8). Are you short on resources in the first place?
> If you are really pushing this machine's routing capabilities to its
> max, you might be in need of an OS and hardware designed solely for
> routing. Tinkering with ipfw(8) versus blackhole routes probably is
> not the way to solve the problem.
> -- 
> Crist J. Clark                     |     cjclark_(_at_)_alum_(_dot_)_mit_(_dot_)_edu
>                                    |     cjclark_(_at_)_jhu_(_dot_)_edu
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